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For your Sunday Tidbit&#153, Denizen David Hartung provides us with this very-well-written column by Victoria Toensing and Bruce Sanford concerning the Lame Plame Blame Game&#153 that Val & Joey are playing with Karl Rove.

For what it’s worth, ask yourself this:&#160 Given that a NY Slimes&#160 reporterette is now serving time in jail over her refusal to testify before a grand jury over her source for this leak of the identity of a CIA analyst – not a crime in and of itself, if the truth be told, but work with me here – and given that everyone seems to want to finger Mr. Rove for this…would the Slimes really&#160 want to stay quiet about this, if there was even the remotest chance that Karl Rove could be perp-walked out of the White House?&#160 Would the Paper of Broken Record honestly&#160 shut up to protect the Demoscum’s Public Enemies Number One and Two (Bush & Rove)?

(crickets)

Mm-hm.&#160 Thought&#160 so…


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74 responses to “Why would the Slimes&#160 protect him???

  1. JonB says:

    Very interesting point.

  2. Sirocco says:

    Actually, Judith Miller is a neocon tool. Her now discredited reporting in the NYT about Iraqi WMDs, based upon ‘anonymous Pentagon sources’ and ultimately pulled out of Ahmad Chalabi’s ass – remember the Iranian double agent? – played a not insignificant role in spawning the war. It may come as news to you, but she’s hated with a passion on the left.

    In fact, Miller’s been dealing in warmongering disinformation for three decades and is generally quite a piece of work.

    Not a shocker that she’s taking a hit for Rove. The only surprise is that the right is so ungrateful for her service.

  3. Actually, Judith Miller is a neocon tool. Her now discredited reporting in the NYT about Iraqi WMDs, based upon ‘anonymous Pentagon sources’

    Oh, you mean these WMDs?&#160 Or perhaps these?

    In fact, Miller’s been dealing in warmongering disinformation for three decades and is generally quite a piece of work.

    What, because known leftists Booman and Gilliard say so?&#160 Really need to do better than that, Sirroco.

  4. Elephant Man says:

    So Judith Miller is a “neo-con operative”?

    That’s a new one. let’s check out Sirocco’s links.

    “Booman Tribune” and “The News Blog” Two blogs with a decidedly leftist bent.

    Sorry, but you’ll have to supply unbiased sources before anyone will believe that laugher.

    It’s amazing how “The Left” has no qualms about stabbing “one of their own” in the back in their futile quest to “get” Karl Rove.

    I imagine that Dubya and Karl are laughing their asses off right about now…..

  5. Sirocco says:

    How am I under any obligation to produce links you’d find ‘unbiased’? I’m merely pointing out the leftist side of the story, which is evidently news to you.

    And after all, when do rightists ever produce ‘unbiased’ sources?

  6. Sirocco says:

    Elephant’s two links to Frontpagemag are a case in point. Really need to do better than that, Elephant Man…

  7. Sirocco says:

    Edit: Spatula’s links.

  8. Elephant Man says:

    Sorocco says, “How am I under any obligation to produce links you find “unbiased”?

    If you want your assertions to have any credibility, you should at least try…..

    If I were making an arguement, would you find it credible if I linked Rushlimbaugh.com and FreeRepublic.com. to back up my assertion?

    No, you would not.

    Try again….

  9. Elephant Man says:

    One more point, Sirocco.

    You’re the one who made the the assertion that Judith Miller is a “neo-con tool” ready “to take the hit” for Karl Rove.

    It’s on you to prove it.

    After all, on the face of it, it sounds like just another ridiculous crackpot conspiracy theory hatched up by tinfoil hat wearing moonbats desperate to keep the Karl Rove “non-story” alive.

  10. Sirocco says:

    You don’t get it. I’m not trying to convince anyone. Changing someone’s mind on the Internet is futile anyway. I’m just pointing out, for the record, how Judith Miller is viewed on the left.

    Nevertheless, there is ample documentation found in my links, whatever your attitude to the blogs on which they appeared. It’s a variant of the genetic fallacy to assume that nothing presented by a ‘biased’ source could ever contain objective information.

    What is not in dispute, anyhow, is that Miller ran a series of high profile stories in the NYT about Saddam Hussein’s voluminous stockpiles of WMDs, and that the paper has since retracted and apologized for these after no WMDs were found in Iraq either by UN inspectors or US forces. That’s not subjective opinion; it’s objective fact.

    Now, does this sound like a something a partisan leftist would do?

  11. Sirocco says:

    By the way, as to your dismissal of Rovegate as a ‘nonstory’:

    18 July 2005

    AN OPEN STATEMENT TO THE LEADERS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE.

    The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker, U.S. House of Representatives
    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Minority Leader, U.S. House of Representatives
    The Honorable Dr. William Frist, Majority Leader of the Senate
    The Honorable Harry Reid, Minority Leader of the Senate

    We, the undersigned former U.S. intelligence officers are concerned with the tone and substance of the public debate over the ongoing Department of Justice investigation into who leaked the name of Valerie Plame, wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV, to syndicated columnist Robert Novak and other members of the media, which exposed her status as an undercover CIA officer. The disclosure of Ms. Plame’s name was a shameful event in American history and, in our professional judgment, may have damaged U.S. national security and poses a threat to the ability of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources. Any breach of the code of confidentiality and cover weakens the overall fabric of intelligence, and, directly or indirectly, jeopardizes the work and safety of intelligence workers and their sources.

    [snip]

    Our friends and colleagues have difficult jobs gathering the intelligence, which helps, for example, to prevent terrorist attacks against Americans at home and abroad. They sometimes face great personal risk and must spend long hours away from family and friends. They serve because they love this country and are committed to protecting it from threats from abroad and to defending the principles of liberty and freedom. They do not expect public acknowledgement for their work, but they do expect and deserve their government’s protection of their covert status.

    For the good of our country, we ask you to please stand up for every man and woman who works for the U.S. intelligence community and help protect
    their ability to live their cover.

    Sincerely yours,

    Larry C. Johnson, former Analyst, CIA

    JOINED BY:
    Mr. Brent Cavan, former Analyst, CIA
    Mr. Vince Cannistraro, former Case Officer, CIA
    Mr. Michael Grimaldi, former Analyst, CIA
    Mr. Mel Goodman, former senior Analyst, CIA
    Col. W. Patrick Lang (US Army retired), former Director, Defense Humint
    Services, DIA
    Mr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence
    Council, CIA
    Mr. James Marcinkowski, former Case Officer, CIA
    Mr. Ray McGovern, former senior Analyst and PDB Briefer, CIA
    Mr. Jim Smith, former Case Officer, CIA
    Mr. William C. Wagner, former Case Officer, CIA

    Emphasis added.

    The whole letter here (pdf).

  12. Elephant Man says:

    “Now, does this sound like a something a partisan leftist would do?”

    It depends. Seeing that all the democrats were on board the “Saddam has huge stockpiles of WMDs” bandwagon right up to and through the invasion.

    It was only after the fact that the democrats (in a brazen display of hypocrisy) changed their collective tune and started honking that Saddam never had WMDs.

    Like I said before, “The Left” has no compunction about throwing one of their own under the bus if it’s politically expedient.

    The NYT is no exception.

    Besides, your comment was the first I’ve heard anywhere about Judith Miller being a neo-con tool and it struck me as just another attempt at “conspiracy mongering”.

    Face it, “The Left” is going to have to come up with something better than that if they want to “get” Karl Rove.

    Frankly, I think that this whole affair is going to blow up in the face of “The Left” and this conspiracy theory is just one of many to come as they try to “save face”.

  13. Elephant Man says:

    A letter signed by prominent democrat hacks and disgruntled former CIA employees?!?!?!?!?!

    C’mon. Don’t tell me you fell for that blatant propaganda ploy.

    You know what?

    If the Republicans were stupid enough to pull this kind of pathetic stunt, you’d be laughing your ass off.

    Just like I am now.

    I’m telling you Sirocco, you’re setting yourself up for a huge letdown if you actually think that Karl Rove “is going down”.

  14. Sirocco says:

    It depends. Seeing that all the democrats were on board the “Saddam has huge stockpiles of WMDs” bandwagon right up to and through the invasion.

    Yes, because “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” Quote from ‘C,’ the head of M15, in a meeting with Tony Blair on July 23 2002, as reported in leaked and verified memos.

    More in The Sunday Times.

    And it was this so fixed ‘intelligence’ and these so fixed ‘facts’ that Miller did such a stellar job of disseminating on the front page of the NYT.

    However, she is not accused of being part of a ‘conspiracy,’ as you would have known if you, for instance, had read the Steve Gilliard post:

    Was it as simple as her plotting with Rummy? No. But since she shared a world view with these people, it was easy to stick with them and ignore the truth.

    Back to you:

    Like I said before, “The Left” has no compunction about throwing one of their own under the bus if it’s politically expedient.

    The NYT is no exception.

    Mere rhetoric, and doesn’t explain why Miller, if indeed a leftist as implied in this post, would go to jail to protect a source who is already known to be none other than Karl Rove.

    By the way, I challenge to show how Judith Miller has ever been one of [our] own. And no, it won’t do just to reiterate the mantra that the entire NYT has a ‘liberal bias.’

    It was only after the fact that the democrats (in a brazen display of hypocrisy) changed their collective tune and started honking that Saddam never had WMDs.

    Are you disputing that he didn’t have (stockpiles of) such? Because that is the official position of the US government at the moment. Some Democrats are merely complaining of having been misled, as indeed they were, by “intelligence fixed around the policy.”

    Besides, your comment was the first I’ve heard anywhere about Judith Miller being a neo-con tool

    Goes to show how little attention you’ve been paying, I’m afraid…

    And it’s amusing, though predictable, how you’re dismissing the letter with the staple accusation of ‘bias.’ Pray tell, is Fitzgerald ‘biased’ too?

    I don’t know whether Rove will be going down, although I strongly suspect that he is toast. I do know that he would have been fired already if the President were a man of his word.

    But he’s wiggling out. Fine: let’s wait for the results of the grand jury investigation.

  15. How am I under any obligation to produce links you’d find ‘unbiased’?

    Oh.&#160 I thought you wanted to be taken seriously.&#160 My bad.

    I’m merely pointing out the leftist side of the story, which is evidently news to you.

    Not really.&#160 As Elephant Man has pointed out, it’s not unlike the Left to eat their own when it suits them.&#160 (Fact is, the Right does, too – just not nearly to that degree.)

    And after all, when do rightists ever produce ‘unbiased’ sources?

    As much as I’m positive you dislike and distrust Fox News, they provide a better balance than just about any other news outfit out there.

    I don’t know whether Rove will be going down, although I strongly suspect that he is toast. I do know that he would have been fired already if the President were a man of his word.

    The President said that if anyone had committed a crime in his Administration, they would be fired.&#160 Prove that Karl Rove committed a crime.

    Hint:&#160 You can’t.&#160 Valerie Plame was an analyst at the CIA, not an agent.&#160 The 1982 law applies to agents, not analysts.

  16. BooMan says:

    I’m laughing my ass off. Sirocco, why do you bother?

    Judith Miller is about as popular on the left as William Safire. They both write for the NY Times (Safire now only in the Mag) and the fact that they haven’t both been fired is a travesty.

    Both Miller and Safire reported extensively about facts that are now thoroughly debunked. Both used sources straight out of Cheney’s office.

    Let’s look back:

    Atta in Prague
    Aluminum tubes for centrifuges
    Niger uranium
    SCUD missiles
    Chemical loaded drones
    Chem/bio mobile labs
    Saddam’s links to al-Qaeda

    Does the right even resent being lied to by these two tools?

    They think we are fans of Miller?

    WTF?

  17. Sirocco says:

    Spatula:

    Valerie Plame was an analyst at the CIA, not an agent. The 1982 law applies to agents, not analysts.

    I don’t really have the time for this. But OK:

    Valerie Plame was not an agent (meaning, basically, a foreign free-lancer employed on a contract), but an officer at the CIA.

    All CIA officers are undercover.

    What’s more, she was a non-official cover officer, meaning she was not protected by diplomatic immunity when spying abroad and would, if worst came to worst, face execution. The 1982 law absolutely applies to her.

    Now she works as an analyst, but that is a result of her cover being blown in a vindictive ploy against her husband by operatives within her own government, carried out to cover up for lies based on known forgeries and touted as part of a war-mongering campaign.

    I daresay this particular ‘blowjob’ is more of a scandal than the one Clinton had.

    The President said that if anyone had committed a crime in his Administration, they would be fired.

    And that’s what I mean by wiggling out.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush appeared to backtrack Monday from his 2004 pledge to fire anyone involved in leaking the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

    “I think it’s best if people wait until the investigation is complete before you jump to conclusions,” Bush said at a joint news conference with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    “I would like this to end as quickly as possible so we know the facts. And if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration,” Bush said.

    That appeared to differ from a response Bush gave in June 2004, when he was asked whether he stood by his promise to fire whoever was found to have leaked Plame’s name. “Yes,” Bush said at the time.

    Rove has already confessed to this offense, though he scrambles to split a hair by saying he only leaked her identity (i.e. as Wilson’s wife) and not her name.

    The only thing that’s correct in your comment is that I dislike and distrust Faux News.

  18. Lady Heather says:

    As I’ve said earlier, much ado about nothing.

    Just more “get-evenisms” by Democrats.

    Yawn.

    BTW, what’s ever happened to Sandy Burglar, er, Berger?

  19. Sirocco says:

    Yawn.

    Impressive reasoning there.

    BTW, what’s ever happened to Sandy Burglar, er, Berger?

    But nice try at changing the subject into an infinitely lesser scandal, which the right nonetheless raised hell about a year ago. No double standards here…

  20. Valerie Plame was not an agent (meaning, basically, a foreign free-lancer employed on a contract), but an officer at the CIA.

    Link, please…?

    http://www3.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/18/cia.leak/ – WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush appeared to backtrack Monday from his 2004 pledge to fire anyone involved in leaking the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

    Oh, you mean when he was asked about it on September 30, 2003?

    “If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is,” the president told reporters back then. “And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.”

    Rove has already confessed to this offense, though he scrambles to split a hair by saying he only leaked her identity (i.e. as Wilson’s wife) and not her name.

    Rove has confessed to nothing, sir.&#160 He has committed no crime; in fact, he’s not even a target of the investigation.

    The only thing that’s correct in your comment is that I dislike and distrust Faux News.

    About like I dislike & distrust CNN.

    But nice try at changing the subject into an infinitely lesser scandal, which the right nonetheless raised hell about a year ago. No double standards here…

    Why, because it involves one of your guys that we know&#160 broke the law?

    I think Lady Heather makes a good point.&#160 If you’re going to scream about our boys who are merely subjects of investigations, be prepared to scream equally loudly about yours who have been caught red-handed, eh?

  21. Lady Heather says:

    Lesser scandal?

    Are you f*** serious?

    FWIW, rocco, I either yawn because I’m tired or I’m bored.

    The Dems and the MSM trotted out this horse (Plame) a while ago, and now they’re trying to find a “gotcha!” to embarrass the Bush administration and get Rove fired. It’s that simple.

    If “leaks” were a crime, more than half the press and Pentagon, CIA employees would be in jail.

    What Berger did was a CRIME.

  22. Lady Heather says:

    Oh, and remember the “Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf!'”? Remember what the moral of the story was?

    If your side ever manages to find something really scandal worthy, the American Public will likely not listen. It looks desperate. I will admit that we did that during the Clinton years, and yes, it got Clinton re-elected. (We Americans tend to rally for the underdog, IMO)

  23. Sirocco says:

    Oh, you mean when he was asked about it on September 30, 2003?

    Why do you suppose I mean that when I referred to his more recent, and stringent, pledge in June 2004?

    Link, please…?

    NYT, October 2 2003:

    Valerie Plame was among the small subset of Central Intelligence Agency officers who could not disguise their profession by telling friends that they worked for the United States government.

    That cover story, standard for American operatives who pretend to be diplomats or other federal employees, was not an option for Ms. Plame, people who knew her said on Wednesday. As a covert operative who specialized in nonconventional weapons and sometimes worked abroad, she passed herself off as a private energy expert, what the agency calls nonofficial cover.

    (Note that if you casually dismiss this information because it derives from the ‘liberal’ Times, I will have to discontinue the discussion.)

    Not that it matters legally that Plame’s cover was non-official. Here is the relevant statute from the law:

    Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States…

    And Karl Rove has indeed admitted the fact that he disclosed such information to the press. Which is what I meant by saying he has confessed. It is true, however, that he denies criminal liability based on various legal capers. And yes, he’s not yet made a ‘target’ of the investigation.

    He is, however, already a ‘subject.’ In light of the recent Time story it seems, moreover, that he may soon have company. Derrick Z. Jackson in the Boston Globe:

    THE NEWS that Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff was the second possible source in the leaking of the identity of a CIA agent to Time magazine elevates the scandal to a whole new level. It is bad enough for Karl Rove to be accused of being a leaker, since he is President Bush’s chief political strategist.

    But if Time’s story holds, I. Lewis Libby’s involvement represents an even more insidious abuse of power.

    Read the whole piece; it is most instructive about the incredible load of ‘bull’ (Colin Powell’s word) pushed by Scooter Libby – the exact kind of bull that he and his minions ‘leaked’ to Miller, their eager tool.

    It’s a scandal that any of these scoundrels are still employed. Given the consequences – some 1800 US troops killed so far; tens of thousand maimed for life; a ruined US credibility around the world; and a civil war blooming in Iraq, all for a pack of lies – that scandal, and any of its constituent parts, including the shameful destruction of a CIA officer’s career in retribution for her husband speaking up against said lies, are indefinetely worse than Berger’s socks, which the right is still crowing about.

  24. Sirocco says:

    I might add that ‘the people who knew her’ cited by the NYT were her classmates at the CIA training facility: Brent Cavan, Jim Marcinkowski, Larry Johnson, and Jane Doe. They said the following at the time “to the political operatives responsible for this”:

    You are a traitor and you are our enemy. You should lose your job and probably should go to jail for blowing the cover of a clandestine intelligence officer.

    You have set a sickening precedent. You have warned all U.S. intelligence officers that you may be compromised if you are providing information the White House does not like. A precedent, as one colleague pointed out during our brief appearances, allows you to build out a case based on previous legal actions and court decisions. It’s a slippery slope if it lowers the bar.

    Ambassador Wilson’s political affiliations are irrelevant. Political differences serve as the basis for the give and take of representative government. What is relevant is the damage caused by the exposure that Ambassador Wilson’s wife as a political act intended to undermine Wilson’s view.

    It is shameful on one level that the White House uses the news media, its own leaks, and junior Congressmen from Georgia, among others, to levy attacks on Ambassador Wilson. Moreover they discount what he has to say, his value in the Niger investigation, and suggest his wife’s cover is of little value because she was “a low-level CIA employee”. If Wilson’s comments or analysis have no merit, why does the White House feel the need to launch such a coordinated attack? Why drag his wife into it?

    Not only have the Bush Administration leakers damaged the career of our friend but they have put many other people potentially in harm’s way. If left unpunished this outing has lowered the bar for official behavior. Further, who in their right mind would ever agree to become a spy for the United States? If we won’t protect our own officers how can we reassure foreigners that we will safeguard them? Better human intelligence could prevent any number of terror incidents in the future, but we are unlikely to get foreign recruits to supply it if their safety cannot be somewhat assured. If more cases like Mrs. Wilson’s occur, assurances of CIA protection will mean nothing to potential spies.

    Politicians must not politicize the intelligence community. President Bush has been a decisive leader in the war on terrorism, at least initially. What about decisiveness now? Where is the accountability he promised us in the wake of Clinton Administration scandals? We find it hard to believe the President lacks the wherewithal to get to bottom of this travesty. It is up to the President to restore the bonds of trust with the intelligence community that have been shattered by this tawdry incident.

  25. Lady Heather says:

    “Jane Doe”?

    After the Jayson Blair affair, and the pretty obvious leftist/Democratic slant to their stories, ‘rocco, I don’t put a lot of faith in the Gray Old Lady anymore.

  26. Sirocco says:

    By God, this is getting tedious.

    I was waiting for that snub of the NYT. Quite ironic though, since the now thoroughly debunked fantasies by Miller and Safire were good enough for – indeed cheered by – you people at the time. Apparently a lot of you still believe them, even though their veracity now officially equals that of stories by the mentally ill Jason Blair.

    Anyhow my last link, from which the name ‘Jane Doe’ derives, has nothing to do with the Times. It’s a statement by her and three colleagues made in a hearing on Capitol Hill in October 2003.

    ‘Jane Doe’ is obviously a pseudonym. A preface to the statement at Larry Johnson’s blog contains this explanation:

    Jane Doe’s real name is not being used because she was involved in counter terrorism operations and could be at risk if her identity were divulged.

  27. Lady Heather says:

    First of all, ‘rocco, if you expect (us) to be civil, you try being civil yourself. Capice? (I’m talking about the snide “..tedious..” remark.)

    Now, I do not have the time to comb the internet to split every hair, prove every detail. I am a working (40 hours a week-I work at home via the internet, I surf the net on my breaks)wife and mother. If I had the TIME to google any and all information about this (Plame and Berger) I could maybe come across as intelligent and informed to my doubters such as yourself. Please keep that in mind (to you and anyone else who wants to mock my intelligence–my IQ is 137, btw). But, most of all, I surf the net to have fun, not to change the world.

    Yes, (Duh!) I fully understand the reason behind calling someone “Jane Doe” . But is this a real person? How would I, the reader, know? Being that it has been proven that the NYT has lied before, employed liars, I have pretty good reasons to doubt them, wouldn’t you say?

  28. (Note that if you casually dismiss this information because it derives from the ‘liberal’ Times, I will have to discontinue the discussion.)

    Been nice talking to you, Sirocco.&#160 However, it’s not only because the Slimes&#160 is liberal – it’s because the Old Blue-Haired Lady has been discredited sufficiently within the last two years or so that anyone who buys what they say “lock, stock & barrel” should probably have his head examined.

    Ambassador Wilson’s political affiliations are irrelevant.

    Actually, they’re very relavant, given what they are.

    Political differences serve as the basis for the give and take of representative government.

    Yes, and given that the Donks have lost 7 out of the last 10 presidential elections now, plus had their heads handed to them in 2002, it’s certainly plausible that Valerie and Pal Joey want to do something, anything&#160 to turn the tide.

    What is relevant is the damage caused by the exposure that Ambassador Wilson’s wife as a political act intended to undermine Wilson’s view.

    It is shameful on one level that the White House uses the news media, its own leaks, and junior Congressmen from Georgia, among others, to levy attacks on Ambassador Wilson. Moreover they discount what he has to say, his value in the Niger investigation, and suggest his wife’s cover is of little value because she was “a low-level CIA employee”. If Wilson’s comments or analysis have no merit, why does the White House feel the need to launch such a coordinated attack? Why drag his wife into it?

    Offhand, I’d say to prove that Wilson was lying when he said that Dick Cheney sent him to Niger.

    Anyway, Sirocco, been a nice exchange; thanks.&#160 As a parting gift, I’m going to show you a link – from your own NY Times,&#160 (courtesy of NewsMax), no less – that shows that Valerie did not qualify for the 1982 law between 1998 and 2003.

    “The C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson’s name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994,” revealed the New York Times on Saturday.

    In a column revealing the critical information for the first time since the Leakgate scandal exploded two weeks ago, Times columnist Nicholas Kristof explained that the Ames tip compromised Valerie Plame’s undercover secrecy so thoroughly that “she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.”

    At the time, he noted, Mrs. Wilson “was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from ‘noc’ – which means non-official cover.”

    What’s more, said the Times writer, Mrs. Wilson’s intelligence connections became known a bit in Washington as she rose in the CIA – an assessment that stands in marked contrast to Mr. Wilson’s portrayal of his wife’s identity as being so secret that she was endangered when Novak revealed her name.

    See that, Sirocco?&#160 1994.&#160 Karl Rove is guilty of nothing.

    Thanks for playing.

  29. Sirocco says:

    First of all, ‘rocco, if you expect (us) to be civil, you try being civil yourself. Capice? (I’m talking about the snide “..tedious..” remark.)

    And this from someone who said “yawn” to my previous comments. Go figure…

    By the way, why do you insist on calling me ‘rocco?

    Now, I do not have the time to comb the internet to split every hair, prove every detail.

    So? Do you think those of us who are better informed don’t also work? You either play or you don’t, but excuses are worthless.

    Not that I’m a specialist on this Plame stuff myself. I just found this thread by chance and felt called to note the absurdity of claiming that Miller is ‘on the left,’ when she’s in fact been loathed for years by anyone to the left of Genghis Khan. Subsequently I was caught up in debate with two other gentlemen, both of whom appear to have thrown in the towel. I haven’t, however, debated you at any length.

    to you and anyone else who wants to mock my intelligence–my IQ is 137, btw

    So where have I ‘mocked your intelligence’?

    And I have no way of verifying, nor do I care in the slightest, what your IQ is. Clearly though, you are curiously sensitive about it.

    Being that it has been proven that the NYT has lied before, employed liars, I have pretty good reasons to doubt them, wouldn’t you say?

    If I’m to stand accused of mocking your intelligence, I might as well commit the offense:

    If you’re so smart, how come you can’t understand what I pointed out above, namely that the name ‘Jane Doe,’ in its citation here, does not derive from the New York Times? It comes directly from the public statement by her and three other, fully identified and even somewhat famous former CIA employees who testified for Congress in October 2003. Are you suggesting that these, too, are fictional persons?

    If I sound angry, it’s because I am. It’s utterly sickening what this administration has been able to get away with. At least until now.

  30. Sirocco says:

    Spat,

    Good one. Your source is none other than Nicholas Kristof, king of the neocons.

    Via Newsmax.

    From the NYT, which you yourself claim has been
    “discredited sufficiently within the last two years or so that anyone who buys what they say “lock, stock & barrel” should probably have his head examined.”

    Sorry, but I laughed out loud.

    But thanks for the discussion. I’m sure we’ll talk again some other time, when Karl has been fired in disgrace; or better yet, shares a jail cell with a huge black individual.

    Cheers.

  31. Lady Heather says:

    when Karl has been fired in disgrace; or better yet, shares a jail cell with a huge black individual.

    Have to give the Dems at least a “B” for effort.

    If at first you don’t succeed, try, try, again…

    “If I sound angry, it’s because I am. It’s utterly sickening what this administration has been able to get away with. At least until now.”

    Well, at least you know how we felt in 1998. I, for one learned from it.

    “So? Do you think those of us who are better informed don’t also work? You either play or you don’t, but excuses are worthless.”

    So, you’re a parent whose spouse is gone for 12 hours a day and you’re responsible for cooking, cleaning, transportation of child to afterschool activities, shopping, picking up prescriptions because your spouse works so late, etc, etc. And these “excuses” are not “worthless”.

    Call it “excuses”, ‘rocco, just wait till you’re a parent. I’m proud of how informed I am despite my busy schedule.

    And I like Rocco–you do know that is Madonna’s son’s name?

    I’ll give you something–yes, I am sensitive about my intelligence. I worked very hard to get where I’m at now, (education wise) and do not tolerate anyone retorting to me that I’m “stupid”. THAT is the last bastion of a person desperate to win an argument.

    Piece of advice?

    Your “anger” is not going to win elections. People want solutions and constructive criticisms, not obstructionism, naysaying, being anti-everything just to stop someone else. I learned that in 1995. People don’t want bitching; they want actions and new ideas.

    And the PlameGame is still a big “YAWN!” and it will hurt the Democrats, not Bush, and not Rove.

  32. Good one. Your source is none other than Nicholas Kristof, king of the neocons.

    Geez, Sirocco, is everyone who doesn’t agree with your personal outlook on life a “neocon”?

    Why do I get the feeling that if Joey Wilson came out tomorrow and admitted having lied about it all, you’d swear up and down that the Bush Administration was twisting his arm or something?

    Seriously.&#160 There’s no story, no crime has been committed, and this is nothing more than the Donks’ attempt to get revenge on the architect of the Bush ’04 victory.&#160 Karl Rove isn’t going to be frog-marched out of the White House – not this year or any other.

    I mean, if you wanna believe otherwise, fine – just don’t commit hara-kiri&#160 on us when it doesn’t happen, mkay?

  33. Lady Heather says:

    It’s frustration, Spats.

  34. Elephant Man says:

    I see Sirocco took his Kool-Aid and went home.

    He was quite a character, wasn’t he?

    He just couldn’t accept the fact that Karl Rove isn’t going anywhere.

    I love it when a leftist moonbat’s posturing as a “disinterested intellectual” starts to unravel when his talking points are questioned and shredded.

    I guess he went back to “spreading the word” to young, gullible bonghuffers who will swallow his every “relevation” without question.

    To listen to him, you’d think that Karl Rove started the “WMD conspiracy” back in the mid 90’s, duping Clinton and the rest of the democrats and paving the way for “Dubya’s” conquest of Iraq.

    Yep, the “sooper-sekret neo-con” crystal ball that Rove had stashed in his closet sure came in handy….

    *guffaw*

  35. I see Sirocco took his Kool-Aid and went home.

    He was quite a character, wasn’t he?

    (nods) Real shame, too.&#160 Folks like him and my friend Chris are the sort of liberals you don’t really mind having around (though I can just imagine the conniption Chris is having right now – Ann Coulter very likely agrees with him on John Roberts), as opposed to cowards like the “Hey, Rev. Mykki, I play with inflatable dollies, too!!!” crowd.

    I can just imagine how long they’d last on the Rott. (grin)

  36. Sirocco says:

    John Merrick the Elephant Man:

    I love it when a leftist moonbat’s posturing as a “disinterested intellectual” starts to unravel when his talking points are questioned and shredded.

    Fun to beat one’s chest in imaginary triumph when it appears the other guy is not, huh?

    Scrolling through the above exchange, I truly can’t see any ‘shredding’ of my points (though I see I was confusing Nicholas Kristof with someone else).

    For instance, even if it had been demonstrated – and it totally hasn’t – that Plame was no longer a non-official cover officer, she would be no less protected by the law, which applies to official as much as to non-official cover. I even showed as much by quoting the relevant paragraph.

    But then of course, the very existence of a special investigation into this incident makes it obvious that whoever outed Plame is suspected of a felony. The legal sticking point is not about official versus non-official cover, but whether the leakage was done deliberately and with the intention of harming the US. If Rove, Libby et als. espace the slammer, it will be due to the difficulty of proving such intent, not to anything relating to the cover status of Plame.

    Legal issues are just one side of the scandal though. Morally and politically, what was done is despicable in any case. The odds are excellent that US intelligence agents (in the proper sense of that term) in Plame’s network have already been jailed or even killed around the world because of this. Jolly good way to boost recruitment of CIA contacts abroad.

    Oh, I forgot; the CIA are all traitors now anyway.

    Sing it together, everybody: Up is down; ignorance is strength; treason is the true patriotism.

  37. Sirocco says:

    Fun to beat one’s chest in imaginary triumph when it appears the other guy is not, huh?

    In other news, I should learn to proofread. Read: “…when it appears the other guy is not around.”

  38. Lady Heather says:

    Sirocco,

    Guess what? I. DON’T. CARE!

    We are at war, I have friends and family in England that I’m worried about getting blown to bits, so forgive me if I don’t care about this NON-issue.

    The WOT is my main concern, the survival of the Western World against these insane, evil people! I don’t give a rat’s ass if a SO-CALLED “CIA operative” got outed (who obviously wasn’t in ANY hazardous line of duty)

    This ain’t pre- 9/11/2001. There are other more priorities. Like the survival of thousands, if not millions of people that could be murdered by radical Islamists.

  39. Sirocco says:

    Just for the record, terrorists, horrific though they may be, are not likely to kill millions.

    There is just one threat that may do so, and that gets comparatively zilch attention.

    But if you truly worry about terrorists acquiring nuclear warheads – the only way they could kill a >4 digit number of people – then it makes poor sense to scoff at Rovegate. Plame was among the Agency’s top specialists on nuclear proliferation, whose network of informants is now in tatters.

    Iraq, remember, was invaded on the suspicion that it might develop nukes and hand them over to terrorists in the future. A few hundred billion dollars and some tens of thousands of dead Iraqis later it turns out that it didn’t have that capability after all, and that ‘evidence’ to the contrary was a pack of lies based, in part, on forged documents about Saddam Hussein purchasing yellowcake from Niger. Which brings us back to what Rovegate is about.

    But sure, it’s a total non-issue. After all, Rush and O’Reilly say as much. And they know what they are talking about, since their talking points originate with… Rove.

    So let’s rehash our sentimental favorite instead: Clinton’s lie about his blowjob, for which he was impeached at the very time when al-Qaeda as we know it was being established.

    Now that was a sound priority!

    Good bye.

  40. Elephant Man says:

    Looks like Sirrocco has stumbled upon Karl Rove’s latest scheme.

    Deep in the Earth, Avian Flu is being manufactured in sooper-sekret Halliburton laboratories for distribution upon an unsuspecting populace.

    Having been immunized, all members of the V.R.W.C. will survive the plague and take over the planet which they will then continue to rape and plunder at their leisure with nary a “enlightened” liberal intellectual to interfere with quest to subjugate Mother Earth.

    I think a “sound priority” for Sirocco would be to run and hide because I’m sure that Rove has sent forth his Flying Monkey Minions to “deal” with him because he’s getting “too close” to “the truth”.

    Watch out Sirocco! The neo-cons are everywhere!!!!!

    If they don’t get you, the flying monkeys will!!!!

    For Gaia’s sake man, RUN!!!!!!

  41. Elephant Man says:

    Spats,

    Sorry about the two almost identical comments.

    I couldn’t resist mocking Sirocco’s paranoia and conspiracy mongering.

    I didn’t think the first comment posted and I couldn’t let Sirocco’s sniveling and pouting go “unmocked”.

    Go ahead and delete one of them, if you would.

    It doesn’t matter which one. 😉

    [I liked the second one better, so that’s the one that’ll stay up.&#160 Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything while reading it. (grin)&#160 -LSI]

  42. Lady Heather says:

    “So let’s rehash our sentimental favorite instead: Clinton’s lie about his blowjob, for which he was impeached at the very time when al-Qaeda as we know it was being established.”

    And here we go again….Clinton was in the process of being impeached for lying to a Grand Jury, not because of adultery. If Newt Gingrich had done the same thing, he’d be in a federal pen right now, but I digress….

    Al-Qaida, Bin-laden, etc (excuse me if my spelling is wrong) could’ve been dealt with in 1993 after the first WTC bombing. They weren’t. And who was president then, and when did the Lewinsky scandal and Starr investigation happen? AFTERWARDS.

  43. Carlo says:

    “…Wilson was lying when he said that Dick Cheney sent him to Niger.”

    Wilson said no such thing, of course. You should really know better than to repeat such thoroughly discredited lies.

  44. Wilson said no such thing, of course. You should really know better than to repeat such thoroughly discredited lies, Crager.

    What I know better than to do is to trust the spin of morons like the spinmeisters at MediaMatters.org.&#160 I mean, that is&#160 where you’re getting this talking point, isn’t it, Carlo???

    Nice try, Carlo.

  45. Sirocco says:

    Heather:

    Al-Qaida, Bin-laden, etc (excuse me if my spelling is wrong) could’ve been dealt with in 1993 after the first WTC bombing.

    Except that al-Qaeda and bin Laden weren’t involved in that bombing. The first terrorist act that can reliably be attributed to them was the 1998 embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya.

    Elephant Man,

    To paraphrase Winston Churchill speaking in Parliament: Far being from me to call you a fool. However, if someone else were to do so, I would find it difficult to know how to refute him.

  46. Elephant Man says:

    Sirocco,

    You obviously have a problem refuting anything so your paraphrasing of Winston Churchill falls short.

    By the way, the first documented Al Queda attack against U.S. forces was a failed bombing attempt in Yemen in 1992.

    Nice try.

    Keep drinking that Kool-Aid! It may taste good but it isn’t doing much for your credibility.

    *guffaw*

  47. Elephant Man says:

    Also, Bin Laden is attributed to being one of the financiers of the first WTC bombing.

    You should really do some research unless you like the taste of sandal leather as you repeatedly put your foot in your mouth.

    Then again, it would explain why you drink so much of the liberal Kool-Aid.

    You need something to wash away the taste of “toe jam”…..

  48. Sirocco says:

    Your ignorance is unmatched, except by your knack for pitifully childish invective.

  49. Elephant Man says:

    My ignorance?

    You’re the one who has managed to paint himself as a paranoid, conspiracy-mongering jackass.

    The only thing “pitifully childish” around here is your pathetic recital of ridiculous memes and idiotic conspiracy theories, not to mention your total lack of knowledge in any topic being discussed.

    Case in point:

    The first attack that can reliably be attributed to them (al Queda) was the 1998 embassy bombing in Tanzania and Kenya.

    Do you even you even bother to fact-check yourself before you spout your idiocy or do you make it up as you go along?

    You’re obviously just another miserable leftist conspiracy kook, bitter that your insipid visions of a socialist utopia will never come to pass. (Thanks to the great work of George W. Bush and Karl Rove. *guffaw*)

    While your fantasies may gain traction with bong-huffing teenagers, your pap cannot be taken seriously by adults.

    Run along, little boy. It’s past your bedtime and we’re growing weary of your incessent pouting and whining.

  50. Sirocco says:

    Elephant Man,

    I object to the absolute extent of your nothingness.

  51. Carlo says:

    [I can dump 206 subnets as easily as I can dump 209 ones, Carla.

    Now be a good little boy and go play in traffic.&#160 The adults here are having a conversation… (snicker)&#160 -LSI]

  52. Carlo says:

    [Oh, goody – an IP spoofer!&#160 We have a lot of fun with those – don’t we, Denizens??? (wicked grin)

    And the same offer applies to you as does to your butt-buddy Mykki, asswipe.&#160 Come say it to my face, chickenshit – that is, if those papier-mach&#233s of yours ever grow past the size of pinheads, fuckhead.&#160 -LSI]

    THE RIGHT-THINKERS ASSAULT ON MY FAMILY OF SITZPINKLERS

    I’ve noticed more and more lately, that if you accuse my mommy or daddy of being my parents they become quite angry, as though you’ve just told them to go straight to hell. They begin to twitch and spasm, their faces turn several shades of red, and on more than one occasion I’ve wondered if their fury would turn to violence and they’d throw me back in the basement with Gramma again.

    Intolerance by my parents toward me hasn’t received attention by the Left-Winged asshat media or the blogosphere, but it’s there and it has been growing. Take for example the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler that laughs at me and calls me “asshole” at every opportunity.

    Gee, you’re a poster child for tolerance Spatula, except when it comes to people who don’t have an ounce of gray matter between their ears. For that eggregious offence [ED. NOTE: (sp)] there can be no tolerance obviously. Spatula then goes on to display just how rooted his intolerance of pricks like me really is.

    That’s right, anyone who has my IQ is a damnfool just like me. I am so crazed and intolerant that I cannot even accept the fact that I bathe in my granny’s colostomy bag. But that’s not surprising since this is typical of the kind of bullshit you expect from a shithead like me.

    This intolerance isn’t limited to the Blogosphere either. No one likes me in my Romper Room class, either. I guess it’s ’cause I dump all my dandruff on my desk. Or maybe it’s because I’m a sitzpinkler like my daddy before me.

    You see, in the world of the Sitzpinkler, there is simply no room for anyone who is man enough to stand up to pee. We all have to be effeminate little wussies like me and my daddy.

    It’s clear that I’ll never be much of a man, seeing as I’m a little nancy boy that can’t stand up to pee-pee, but I for one will not be cowed into standing up to piss by their hatred of candy-asses like me, or their bullying.

  53. Elephant Man says:

    I object to the absolute extent of your nothingness.

    What a “deep” and “existential” thought.

    After consideration and pondering, my response is this………

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Sirocco demonstrates (yet again) that he’s nothing but a lonely, second-rate, pretentious, basement-dwelling, bong-huffing asshat who comforts himself with delusions that he’s some sort of “intellectual” and “philosopher”.

    I hope he keeps that gibberish coming.

    With each successive post, he consolidates his status as a whimpering, sanctimonious clown.

    Not to mention that it helps Karl Rove’s Avian Flu spreading Flying Monkeys “zero in” on his wherebouts.

    *guffaw*

  54. Elephant Man says:

    After reading that purile driveling bleat posted by Carlo, it’s safe to assume that he finally earned 20 bucks at the local truck stop gloryhole with his patented “Hoover Vacuum” routine and scored himself some crack.

    You’d think he’d have learned by now that smoking crack and posting comments don’t mix.

    Especially since crack makes the syphilis infesting what’s left of his brain “act up”.

  55. Carlo says:

    THE RIGHT-THINKERS ASSAULT ON MY FAMILY OF SITZPINKLERS

    I’ve noticed more and more lately, that if you accuse my mommy or daddy of being my parents they become quite angry, as though you’ve just told them to go straight to hell. They begin to twitch and spasm, their faces turn several shades of red, and on more than one occasion I’ve wondered if their fury would turn to violence and they’d throw me back in the basement with Gramma Consuela again.

    Intolerance by my parents toward my bed-wetting hasn’t received attention by the Left-Winged asshat media or the blogosphere, but it’s there and it has been growing. The spot on my bed, that is. Take for example the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler that laughs at me and calls me “asshole” at every opportunity.

    Gee, you’re a poster child for tolerance Spatula, except when it comes to people who don’t have an ounce of gray matter between their ears. For that eggregious offence [ED. NOTE: (sp)] there can be no tolerance obviously. Spatula then goes on to display just how rooted his intolerance of pricks like me really is.

    That’s right, anyone who has my IQ is a damnfool just like me. I am so crazed and intolerant that I cannot even accept the fact that I bathe in my granny’s colostomy bag. But that’s not surprising since this is typical of the kind of bullshit you expect from a shithead like me.

    This intolerance isn’t limited to the Blogosphere either. No one likes me in my Romper Room class, either. I guess it’s ’cause I dump all my dandruff on my desk. Or maybe it’s because I’m a sitzpinkler like my daddy before me.

    You see, in the world of the Sitzpinkler, there is simply no room for anyone who is man enough to stand up to pee. We all have to be effeminate little wussies like me and my daddy Carlita.

    It’s clear that I’ll never be much of a man, seeing as I’m a little nancy boy that can’t stand up to pee-pee, but I for one will not be cowed into standing up to piss by their hatred of candy-asses like me, or their bullying.

  56. Elephant Man says:

    What?

    No inane and half-assed pseudo-intellectual quip from Sirocco?

    Either he “ran out of Kool-Aid er, material” or Rove’s Flying Monkeys finally got him.

    *guffaw*

    Meanwhile, Carlo’s syphilis continues to manifest itself…..

  57. Sirocco says:

    Elephant Turd,

    Just checking how many words I can extract from your empty skull for each one of mine.

    For the last two rounds the ratio is 297:23.

    Get a life, loser.

  58. Elephant Man says:

    I see Sirocco is still seething over being dismissed as a paranoid moonbat.

    He’s reduced to sputtering “well, er, uh, I made you type more words then me”

    He actually attempted to do a count!

    And he tells me to “get a life”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    What a fucking dork! I can’t believe he actually typed that.

    Hey Spats! Whatever you do, don’t close this thread!

    We’ve got a “live one” here.

    I bet I can keep this fool dancing and capering like an organ grinder monkey for months!

    After having his “bubble popped” and been exposed as a jabbering nitwit, all he’s got left to soothe his wounded pride is to get in the “last word”.

    He won’t be able to stop! His bitterness won’t let him.

    I can picture him in his basement, his chubby, Dorito dusted, pimpled cheeks puffed out in a purile pout as he obsessively checks this thread in between his bouts of “gratifying himself” while gawking at Hentai “tentacle porn”.

    I can’t wait to see what gibberish the muddle-brained chimp comes up with next…..

  59. Elephant Man says:

    Looks like our basement dwelling friend has been reduced to the counting words. Seeing as he cannot compete in a “war of words”.

    That’s fine by me. I’ll just continue taunt him while he counts words.

    By the way “477:24…” is not a word, quizkid.

    Were you born retarded er, “mentally challenged” or is the syphilis you contracted from Carlo starting to “kick in”?

    Just wait until I get around to typing out a 1000+ word essay on Sirrocco’s “eating” and “mating” habits……… *guffaw*

    Actually I’m impressed with Sirocco’s counting.

    It’s hard for him especially since he normally can only count to twenty and that’s if he takes off his shoes.

    (He might be able to count to twenty one if he drops his pants but given his reputed *ahem* small stature, that’s questionable)

  60. Elephant Man says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    I’ve gotten into Sirocco’s syphilis ridden brain to such a degree, he’s still playing the counting game.

    It’s understandable, given that he can’t compete in a “war of words”.

    I’ve reduced Sirocco into a leftist moonbat version of “Rainman”.

    The best part is that he can’t stop.

    Watch this:

    Hey Rainman er, Sirocco!

    With every “number post” you make, you proclaim to the world, “I Am E-Man’s Bitch!

    Even though I just stated the obvious, he’s going to do it again. He can’t help himself!

    Just watch……

    (C’mon Sirocco, you know you want to. Don’t be shy! Count ‘dem words and tell the world that you’re my bitch! Do it! Otherwise, I’ll get in “the last word”! You can’t allow that! What a dilemma! Let E-Man have “the last word” or proclaim to the world that “I am E-Man’s bitch!”. Decisions, decisions….)

  61. Sirocco says:

    You are my bitch, moron. Proof: 758:38

  62. Lady Heather says:

    Unbelievable.

  63. Elephant Man says:

    HA! I knew he couldn’t resist!

    Sirocco is officially “My Bitch”. (As well as Karl Rove’s bitch)

    Way to go , RainMan!

    Heather,

    I told you I’d keep this monkey dancing for weeks. The best part is that Sirocco is so intent on getting the last word, he’ll debase himself and I can sling the most vile insults and I know the braindead chimp is reading it due to his neurotic “word counting”.

    Now, back to “taunt the moonbat“.

    Since Sirocco has proclaimed that he’s “my bitch”, where shall I hang the trophy head?

    I sure don’t want Sirocco’s vapid, pimple-covered mug hanging in my den.

    I know! I’ll put Sirocco’s head on a post, prop it’s mouth open and plant it in front of a gloryhole at the local truck stop.

    A tribute to his “Bitch” status…….

    *guffaw*

  64. Sirocco says:

    Your verbal shitstorm is debasing only to yourself. Fascinatingly, you are too dense to notice.

    897:53

  65. Yeah, but Sirocco, E-man’s proving his point.&#160 He tosses out something, and it’s almost like you have to respond.&#160 It’s almost like he’s Pavlov and you’re the dog – and you’re proving his point more and more with each response.

  66. Elephant Man says:

    “Fascinatingly”, the assmonkey is getting humiliated and debased in my “verbal Siroccostorm”, yet he keeps coming back and proclaiming that he’s my bitch.

    Hey Spats! Looks like we’ve got an experiment going on!

    Instead of Pavlov’s dog, we’ve got E-Man’s Bitch.

    I’m telling you, I’ve annoyed that imbecile to such a degree, he can’t stop. He’ll keep coming by and proclaiming he’s my bitch even though he’s getting abused nonstop.

    That idiot has got to be my greatest victory yet. I reduced a smug, pompous, psuedo-intellectual liberal gasbag into a gibbering, sniveling RainMan-like gimp with a psychotic mania to “get in the last word”.

    Well maybe we can make “my bitch” do something useful for a change.

    Let’s find out.

    Hey Bitch er, Sirocco!

    Waddle your fat ass into the kitchen and make us sandwiches!

    Otherwise, I’ll have park your mug back in front of the gloryhole……

    *guffaw*

  67. Sirocco says:

    Spatula,

    I’d rather say I am Pavlov and he is the dog – with a canine version of Tourette’s Syndrome.

    It would be a chicken-and-egg situation were it not for the manifest difference in effort. A simple automatic word count, or brief remark, from me elicits a torrent of kindergarten-like abuse signaling a mental age of somewhere between 6 and 11.

    Is this really representative of your regulars? And the sort of guys you like having around? If so, well – to each his own I guess.

    Elephant,

    You are delusional, I’m afraid: You are utterly incapable of annoying me. See, for that to happen I would need to respect you at least a tiny bit, whereas I literally wouldn’t cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire.

    Now go ahead and spend your 15 minutes typing another childish taunt in a lame attempt to get in the last word (and truly, I don’t give a shit who has the last word on this long buried thread on an obscure blog). Stuff like this is the only joy you have in life, isn’t it?

  68. Elephant Man says:

    Bingo! We have liftoff! Victory is mine!

    Sirocco goes off the deep-end and farts out a sniveling, sanctimonious, self righteous bleat of complete idiocy!

    Note his whimpering squeals at Spats as he sniffles about how “he’s Pavlov and I’m the dog” complete with a sniveling appeal that basically bleats “How could you let that mean ol’ E-Man pick on me? Please make him stop!”

    I can picture the tears running down his fat, pimple ridden cheeks as he sobbed with frustration while typing his pathetic screed.

    Now it gets really good.

    You are delusional, I’m afraid:

    I’m not the one coming here screeching about how Judith Miller is a “neo-con operative under the contol of Karl Rove”

    and “I’m afraid” that paints you as a ridiculous, conspiracy mongering, Kool-Aid drinking simpleton.

    You are utterly incapable of annoying me

    Oh really? I sure have you coming back here time and again, either honking and bleating in pompous and impotent rage or lapsing into an insipid counting game.

    See, for that to happen I would need to respect you at least a tiny bit,

    Oh no! A lonely, conspiracy-mongering, pompous, pseudo-intellectual pimple-faced, fat kid doesn’t “respect me”!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Since the value of “your respect” isn’t even worth a pile of dog shit, I don’t think it’s much of a bargaining chip. *guffaw*

    whereas I literally wouldn’t cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire.

    What was that about not being able to annoy you? I can picture your “Dorito dusted”, chubby face all puffed out in petulance when you typed out that “gem”.

    Now go ahead and spend your 15 minutes typing another childish taunt in a lame attempt to get in the last word

    Don’t mind if I do. Childish taunts are all that you merit. Speaking of lame attempts to “get in the last word”, your idiotic RainMan counting game didn’t work out too well, now did it?

    (and truely, I don’t give a shit who has the last word on this long buried thread on an obscure blog).

    And truely, you’re a moron.

    If you “don’t give a shit who has the last word blah, blah, etc.”, why you keep coming back and dancing like a brain-damaged chimp?

    Stuff like this is the only joy you have in life, isn’t it?

    I have many joys in life. But I must admit, making you squeal and honk in impotent rage is one of them.

    Now, will “My Bitch” er, Sirocco:

    A) Vanish back to his basement, having finally realized that he’s made himself out to be a complete idiot?

    B) Honk out another whining and petulant bleat.

    C) Revert to his RainMan counting gambit and thus proclaim himself “E-Man’s bitch” yet again.

    Place your bets…..

    HINT: Sirocco’s fragile psyche can’t tolerate being dismissed as blathering braindead asshat. He must get in the last word. His neurosis demands it.

    Here, watch this!

    Hey Sirocco! You aren’t going to let me have “the last word” do you?

    C’mon monkey! Let’s see you dance to my commands one more time!

    You know you want to!

    (There, that should do it. *guffaw*)

  69. Elephant Man says:

    Here monkey, monkey, monkey…….

    Don’t tell me that whimpering little bitch actually slunk off in defeat!?!?!?!

    He never brought us our sandwiches!

    Talk about useless.

    Actually, the sniveling assmonkey is going to employ Punkass Tactic #35476: Wait a few weeks until everyone forgets this thread, then come back and post an imbecilic comment to “get in the last word”

    Just watch….. *guffaw*

  70. Elephant Man says:

    Five days and still no “pithy commentary” from Sirocco the ubermoonbat.

    Looks like Rove’s Flying Monkeys finally got him.

    Actually, it’s much more likely that he’s lurking and wondering when I’m going to stop tormenting him…..

    I wonder if he “feels” that trying to feed us his “Judith Miller is a neo-con operative for Karl Rove” bullshit was worth all the abuse?

    I believe he’ll think twice before he trolls another blog with his crackpot theories.

    Unless he’a a complete moron.

    *guffaw*

  71. Looks like Rove’s Flying Monkeys finally got him.

    Possibly.&#160 Or maybe he finally got the message that he was the dog and not Pavlov. 🙂

  72. Elephant Man says:

    Judith Miller has disclosed her source so even though this is a dead thread, I couldn’t resist adding icing to the cake.

    Actually, Judith Miller is a neocon tool. Her now discredited reporting in the NYT about Iraqi WMDs, based upon ‘anonymous Pentagon sources’ and ultimately pulled out of Ahmad Chalabi’s ass – remember the Iranian double agent? – played a not insignificant role in spawning the war.

    You mean the reporting for which she was awarded a Pulitzer Prize?

    Not a shocker that she’s taking a hit for Rove. The only surprise is that the right is so ungrateful for her service.

    Actually, it’s “not a shocker” that Sirocco was not only a paranoid, delusional moonbat, he was wrong.

    It turns out she was “taking a hit” for I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby!

    😆 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! 😆

    Game, set, and match!

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