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As a conservative and a Christian, I’m supposed  to wring my hands and pull my hair out in angst that one of God’s children was shot & killed today in church.

But in this particular case, I’m gonna be extremely hard pressed to give much of a shit.

Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller was shot and killed Sunday in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher, his attorney said. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.

The city official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the case. The official did not provide additional details.

Long a focus of national anti-abortion groups, including a summer-long protest in 1991, Tiller was shot during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church while his wife was in the choir, his attorney Dan Monnat said. Police said the gunman had fled in a car registered in Merriam, a Kansas City suburb nearly 200 miles away.

Nope, just not there, sorry.

13 Comments to “Tiller finally gets his”

  1. HDD — May 31, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

    It is not the place of Christians to take God’s vengeance into their own hands. Murdering a man, in cold blood, is wrong. Period. End of subject.

    All that being said, one fewer dirtbag in the world is rarely a bad thing.

  2. Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant — May 31, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

    How do you know it was a Christian that did it, HDD? The report I cited hasn’t even yet identified the perp.

    For all we know, it was an atheist who offed him.

  3. David Hartung — May 31, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

    This guys murder seems to have made its way around the faith community at high warp.

    The bad news is that this guy was a Lutheran.

    The good news, if any, is that he was of a different brand of Lutheran than me. He belonged to the liberal branch of the Lutheran Church.

  4. HDD — May 31, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

    I don’t know that the perp was a Christian. Heck, we don’t even know if the perp was an anti-abortion dude. But, I do know that it is unseemly and *possibly* unChristian to rejoice in the murder of another human being, no matter how sleazy, despicable, or repulsive the victim is. My point, though, is that if a person is going to murdered, George Tiller wasn’t exactly the worst choice of targets.

    As a Christian, I will NEVER allow myself to get comfortable rejoicing in murder.

  5. Darth Venomous — May 31, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

    But, I do know that it is unseemly and *possibly* unChristian to rejoice in the murder of another human being, no matter how sleazy, despicable, or repulsive the victim is.

    Have I said anything about rejoicing?

  6. Darth Venomous — May 31, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

    The bad news is that this guy was a Lutheran.

    David, given what I’ve read about that particular division, I doubt I’d agree with the “Lutheran” label.

    Koresh liked to align himself with the Seventh-Day Adventists, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they aligned themselves with him.

  7. David Hartung — June 1, 2009 @ 8:44 am

    “David, given what I’ve read about that particular division, I doubt I’d agree with the “Lutheran” label.”

    I have no argument with that, but the unfortunate fact is that they are the largest “Lutheran” division in the USA. BTW should you ever be in the mod for an RCOB moment, check out http://www.herchurch.org. Guartanteed to either make you sick, or to make you angry.

  8. HDD — June 1, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

    You know, I was really hoping that there was a wing of the American Lutheran Church more liberal than ELCA, much like there are two wings more conservative than ELCA (WELS, and Missouri Synod). If the ELCA really does have member churches that liberal, Lutheranism in America, for all intents and purposes, is dead.

  9. David Hartung — June 1, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

    Darth old friend, I confess to being a little shocked that you have even heard of the LCMS, let alone WELS. Don’t loose hope, there are a lot of very conservative Lutherans around. In point of fact, there are some in the LCMS bemoaning the Synod’s “Liberalness”. One other thing to keep in mind is that there are Lutheran bodies out there which apparently make WELS look liberal. Of course, they rarely have more than 40 or 50 congregations, but they are there.

    By the way, What does the SBC do when a church goes liberal?

  10. HDD — June 1, 2009 @ 9:15 pm


    It was me, not Darth. Besides, I drove past the WELS headquarters every week, for the better part of a decade. It was (may still be, for all I know) in Madison, Wisconsin, at the intersection of Sherman Ave and Troy Drive.

    The two major religions in WI are Roman Catholicism and Lutheranism, and there are quite a few family squabbles over which Lutheran church to attend.

  11. David Hartung — June 2, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

    HDD, my mistake. I was not paying full attention. You live in Madison? If so, you are very close to my old stomping grounds. In point of fact, we used to be members of Immanuel Lutheran Church (WELS) on Hwy BB between Madison and Lake Mills. I believe that I was in abot the second grade when we moved our membership to Messiah, on Madison’s east side. I was confirmed at Deerfield Lutheran. In my life I have been the Lutheran route. Baptized in the LCMS, member of WELS, LCA, confirmed ALC. Was both Southern Baptist and United Methodist in my Adult years, now safely back home in the LCMS.

    For those who may care, and not know, the Lutheran Church in America(LCA) and American Lutheran Church(ALC) merged in the 70s to form the ELCA, which is the denomination that Dr. Tiller was a member of. They are very much the liberal wing of American Lutheranism.

  12. HDD — June 2, 2009 @ 8:59 pm


    I don’t live in Madison, anymore. I found the escape hatch, and now live just north of Austin: close enough to smell it, but, far enough that I don’t have to step in it.

    I actually know where Immanuel Lutheran is, IIRC. If I’m not mistaken, Immanuel is pretty much the only building on that stretch of road for about 20 miles, and all locals give directions from the church. But, then again, throw a dead fish over your shoulder in WI, and you’ll hit a Lutheran church. Or a Catholic church.

    When I got married, my ex-wife was surprised at how many Catholics there were in WI (she was Lutheran), and I was surprised at how many Lutherans there were (I’m from a Catholic family). I had to explain to quite a few Cheeseheads exactly what a ‘Presbyterian’ was, since most Lutherans and Catholics have no idea there are any other denominations. I have a suspicion that quite a few Cheeseheads aren’t aware of any other denominations…

    And, yeah, I knew ELCA was the liberal branch. Surprisingly, it is WELS that is the rabidly conservative synod of Lutherans, especially since their headquarters are in Madtown, not exactly the most hospitable place to ANY religion (Ann Laurie Gaylor also calls Madison home…). At least here in Texas, everyone just assumes I go to church, and don’t really care which one I go to.

  13. David Hartung — June 6, 2009 @ 8:47 am

    Darth, and all,

    After reading the statement by Reformation Lutheran Church, I took a few minutes to send the pastor an email expressing my concern that a man who lived as Tiller had, was welcomed as a cull communicant member of the church. For those who may wish to do the same, here is the link: http://www.reformation-lutheran.org/contactus.html

    It was probably a wast of time, but it may also be a good thing to let these folks know what others think.

    For those who may not know, Tiller was at one time an LCMS Lutheran, but was excommunicated as an unrepentant sinner. I believe that is when he joined Reformation.

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